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Hey Chris,

I just wanted to recommend the newest Hunger Games movie. One of the main characters, Lucy Gray, has a life philosophy similar to yours. The idea I first heard from you: "nobody can steal money you've already spent" is something she lives by. Check out the song and the lyrics, if you want to!

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After reading all the comments to this thread I am struck by a few thoughts. First, I think it important to put my personal view into a bit of perspective. The last five years (2018 - 2023) have been the most challenging of my 56 years on this rock. 2018 - My father passed away and all evidence points to the likelihood that my mother either assisted him with ending his own life via an opium overdose or did the deed herself out of frustration with having to care for him in hospice. 2019 - My mother passed 13 months after my father under similarly questionable circumstances. She had a “heart attack” one week after pondering what her friends would do if she was no longer around. There was evidence that she may have saved some of my father’s morphine for herself. 2020 - COVID, enough said. 2021 & 2022 - most of this period was spent drinking too much, sleeping too little and getting by solely thanks to the grace and support of my loving wife. 2023 - In April our home flooded during a “one in a thousand year” storm that dropped over 20” of rain directly into our neighborhood over the course of 8 hours. We have just returned to our home after 7 months of living out of an Air BNB while paying both an exorbitant rent and or mortgage simultaneously and battling insurance, FEMA and contractors in an effort to restore our home. We were lucky as many of our neighbors had no insurance, once of which committed suicide a few days after the storm out of desperation and fear of what the future would hold. Through all of this, I have found myself cultivating optimism and gratitude at every step. Some days the darkness would take over, but most presented opportunities to be thankful for what I still had, friends, family, my wife, my career, my connection to the ocean that has sustained life and career for most of my existence. I even got the opportunity to meet Chris in person. Doing so reinforced my understanding of how we can have an effect on a local level, despite the anxiety national and world politics can create. Anyway, not sure what my point is outside of the hard earned knowledge that anxiety and alarm come easy. It’s the peace, tranquility and optimism that are hard fought and viciously earned through daily practice. Life Is Good in south Florida because I choose to make it so. Be well.

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Dec 2, 2023·edited Dec 2, 2023

Here is an article with a point of view that provides context to the question, describing Wilsonian foreign policy, with the reasoning being a fairly broad stroke of the US' insistence on exporting democracy since the cold war: https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2023/12/02/time_to_end_wilsonian_foreign_policy_996370.html

To someone with decades in foreign policy, this is likely an alarm bell. To someone with zero personal skin in the game, it's likely a historical artifact of confusion.

Alarm is in the eye of the beholder. It depends on your perspective about what warrants alarm. I had lunch with a colleague a few years ago in San Francisco, a young former Army Captain that had also attended an ivy league business school. He was in the process of moving out of legal tech sales and into a the defense industry with a top-secret drone development contractor. His reasoning was as clear as the US American Flag belt he wore on his perfectly pressed khakis with the ubiquitous white collar shirt and Patagucci vest uniform of all good finance bros: "If we don't want to have to learn Mandarin in the next twenty years, this is what I have to do."

He was alarmed. But his alarm came from his deep knowledge and very high clearance level of what was actually happening in the broader scope of geopolitics.

Conversely, the scientist studying the antarctic ice shelf may be considering the alarm of an other impending doom, that very few people can even begin to wrap their minds around.

The social worker in Chicago may be alarmed at the failure of the system to provide an adequate environment for minority children and their development.

To the statesman working at the capital in California, the economic policy of carbon credits and how it affects their business owner constituents can be alarmed as well.

It's all relative. We are bombarded with alarm bells. I think one of the best things we can do, often, is just to look locally on what causes concern for our community, and do what we can, there. That means your next-door neighbor, much like Chris has described in his "firewood" analogy. We are not evolved to think on a global scale, we are evolved to think on a close tribal scale. We can get lost in all of the alarm bells shouting at us on TikTok, Fox News, or whatever our media drug of choice is. But, if we start with our neighbors, whatever we can do to quell the "alarms" there, I believe it reverberates, because it becomes an example. Anything else we can do on a broader scale, positively, starts locally.

We can scream into the void all we want on X, Instagram, etc, but if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

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Once I got a taste of pseudo freedom when hiking the PCT for 5 months, I came back and everything felt extremely dystopian. I’ve pretty much all but given up on trying to raise the alarm bells because people are more concerned with the Kardashians, bills, and making ends meet. There is smoke in the skies every year, we’re moving through the 6th mass extinction of the planet, and the warming of the planet will surely cause massive migration and with it, conflict. We should be concerned but the powers that be keep us from spending time being concerned with things like ecological integrity. It’s an exhausting fight and I’m only 26😂

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Alarm is an insufficient and ineffective response. If we are in a period of uncertainty, or a personal/collective crisis, seems like engaging in deliberative and/or spontaneous methods of identity shifts/brain or thinking changes (psychedelic experiences, nondual practices) might create capacity to meet the moment. Also, I don't find it necessary to compare eras for destructive capacities, depends on whose perspective, precarious for whom? — unless that's to create a more empathic, resilient human. Chris, I'm curious what your experience is regarding personal or collective ways that create adaptations to perceived precariousness? I know there are likely many, just wondering what you're imagining these days?

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Dec 2, 2023·edited Dec 2, 2023

I think that we are not alarmed at all and we can't be alarmed enough because humans as conscious beings are flawed. If something is threatening us we face it if the danger is right in front of our faces. Otherwise, we'll ignore it. Some humans around the planet have already realized that we are in danger as a species, but the great majority are just too worried about their daily stuff, work, family and the economy. As a species, we are not aware we belong to earth and that if anything happens to air, water or wildlife we'll suffer the same destiny. All life on Earth is entangled, we are all on the same journey. There's nothing we can do anyway; there are too many of us. We humans believe we are the special ones but we are just a step in the long evolution process of consciousness, if humans go extinct something better will come after. Nature never forgets what it learned. Maybe a smarter, stronger and more loving being who will be everything we were and more will replace us. We are just an experiment of mother nature as many species were before us, likely, we won't be able to adapt and do the only thing nature wants from us, help life grow and spring all over. I am just living my life and already let the idea of humanity go.

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I am sufficiently alarmed and at times overwhelmed at the impending collapse of civilisation.

However the majority of people you speak to are not and if anything it’s a faux pas to bring it up as the narrative of perpetual progress is deeply wed into our consciousness in this civilisation just like the others that collapsed.

Eventually the vast majority will be sufficiently alarmed but it will be too late.

Your ability to thrive in life, in general whatever the context depends on the strength of your community so being intentional about that is something I think of often.

I feel like I’m grieving because there’s alot of anger at the sense of injustice. Still, I’m moving towards the acceptance stage.

Day to day am employing as much auto-pilot as I can because this robotic approach is needed to survive in this context.

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Chris you were talking about the Happy people: A year in the Taiga movie, and I was confused when you said that it wasn't narrated by Werner Herzog, because I recently saw the movie and it was narrated by him (it's hard to not recognize his unique narrating style :)) so now I wonder whether there are two versions of it? On IMDB it also says that it's narrated by him. Another thing, in recent episode (might be the same Roma, idk) you were making the point of something being a need by comparing it to the need of a human body for fiber. Just wanted to let you know that that is actally highly debatable, so not the best comparison :) Thanks for keeping me company and giving me great insights!

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quite agree with tjariz, there are more examples of progress in civilisation since then, I admit middle ages is not the best example. we have overcome many once death- sentence diseases through vaccinations and medicinal progress. We do have the Nuclear weapons and WMD hanging over our heads which is "recent" in historical terms and of course, we don't take care of our planet, especially there is talk and demonstrations with little leadership actually doing anything that makes a difference. like a washing the floor with a dirty mop, looks cleaner but the dirt is just re distributed. My concern was the overload of information that most of humanity has no idea how to deal with in order to find a true account and not also be subject to confirmation bias. too much complaining, information overload that is de-sensitising us to actually caring, and de-sensitising us to behave more violently towards each other. its not about 'me' its about 'us' solutions not whining, facts not rumours. I am sure someone more erudite could explain this much better.

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Joy and Sorrow (Poem):

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nuclear waves

unrolling a girl’s

flesh,

bones of her

father

lost

in the debris of

mushroom unfolding

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in a field,

sunlight opening

the petals of

yellow violets,

passing over

rows of bent

stems

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a child

dragging herself

through the mud

streets,

lips scabbed

and open

in the napalm

rain

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and blue birds

chirping in the

moist

rainforest

below a mist

of mountain

clouds

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***

shuddering

before a gun,

robbed of

homeland, lost

in a feud

under blood

drones

and bombs

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***

and sighing

on a mountain,

overlooking

endless endless

trees,

red leaves

yellow leaves

green leaves

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Chris!!! Listen to Peter Gabriel’s new album I/O! I loved him for decades, and his now album is amazing! (Sorry, I know this is unrelated to the post!)

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I would appreciate someone explaining how increased alarm is useful. I spent the 80s alarmed by nukes, the 90s alarmed by climate change, the 00s alarmed by corporate government, the teens alarmed by a collapsed, false hope for yes we can 'change'... Now I feel cynical, weary, wary and circumspect and, ultimately, certainly stupid. Growing vegetables, now.

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For my BSc Thesis I wrote about risk perception of cruise tourism stakeholders in Norway and I was reading some stuff about Beck's theory of the risk society, which is basically about how modern society has created so many risks with its techological development but that at the same time we are more and more preoccupied with these risks and the future. This kind of makes sense to me and so I would say that yes we live in a uniquely precarious time. But on the other hand I am young and stupid and everyone always believes their time to be special which in hind sight turns out to be the same as all others. So the answer as usual is I don't know haha

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From a taoist / tai-chi-chaun midset, being 'alarmed' is never a state we want to be in as it inhibits a 'natural' response. We aim to meet adversity with equiminity and openess and so swim up-river without being thrown on the rocks by forces we didn't intuit.

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Yes, not alarmed, but sad just the same. The kind of looking forward to a human future, mine, my loved one’s, and society’s, that I used to do, and the concomitant belief in human progress, seems preposterously naive. On the other hand, whatever may be the vague destroyed or subsisting condition we picture when we say the words “collapse”, “end times”, etc. just might not happen. I am content that I do not know enough to make that call. On the third hand, maybe it will happen and won’t be so bad, whether we emerge from it as a species more or less recognizable to our present selves or in some other form. The important thing is that evolution continue in a positive qualitative direction. That could or but does not have to include humans, although I doubt that such evolutionary progress could dispense with humans or some enhanced version thereof altogether. Why is it important that evolution continue positively? Read Lila, by Robert Pirsig, for one persuasive answer.

Human beings have the same problems and repeat the same mistakes and perpetrate the same vanities as they always have, but the technology we have makes today way more dangerous than yesterday. This is obvious with nuclear weapons and climate change. There are also psychic inputs we receive from some of this technology that can make some things seem worse but there is no question that they are worse if only because of the scale at which evil (yes, it exists, or pick another word) can range at which it couldn’t range before. There is also an undeniable anxious effect of having every atom of the world shoved constantly in your face without surcease that, like language, can make a thing more palpably real than before it was named - which in turn, I would argue, enhances its reality.

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I'm 71. I lived through Jim Crow in the south, 60s riots that make everything since look tame, Vietnam, Watergate, and on. Never in my life have I been as alarmed as I am now. The number of civilization ending technologies are proliferating at an accelerating pace. Nuclear is just one. AI is all over the news but is a wild card or maybe a threat multiplier. How about CRSPR "at home" as the experts claim possible? Cameras everywhere that will ultimately track every movement we make. Democracy itself is in peril with an uncertain outcome. Once lost, it's not coming back any time soon. That is my biggest concern.

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Since the advent of nuclear weapons and other high-tech weapon systems (oh sorry, “defense systems”), I think humanity has objectively been in a uniquely precarious time.

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What differentiates this level of alarm from the naysaying ‘oh every generation always feels this way’ is that the technologies of warfare and particularly the unknown unknowns as it pertains to AI (whether generalized or not) place us closer than ever to the possibility of extinction.

Also whether the climate change is manmade or part of a natural cycle (doubtful) is irrelevant - the refugee displacement is going to be catastrophic if we even survive that long. Indonesia alone - you’re looking at a bil plus on the move to escape!

Whether we off ourselves or not - gaia will still be here and will survive our shenanigans and a new cycle of life will begin anew.

Meh!

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1st, everyone has felt that way, just USA: indigenous wars; revolutionary war; civil war; great depression; Cuban missile crises, etc... But it is all relative. Most of us give no fucks and can have no empathy for any times before we are adult enough aware.

Those too young for being aware during the Cold War, or hell 9/11, feel ALL IS LOST. But study history, or live long enough... same shit different day

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See also this (gift article): https://wapo.st/46D8wKD

As if Ukraine weren't enough, we've got the Gaza hellscape (and the potential for it to become to Biden what the I̶r̶a̶q̶i̶ Iranian hostage crisis was to Carter) and Trump's persistent popularity despite all evidence of his criminal venality. I'm pretty fucking alarmed.

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Dec 1, 2023·edited Dec 1, 2023

If you regard the looming collapse of our civilization (we're talking a civilization made up of 8 billion people, 8 billion individual fates) as Precarity, then yes, things are more precarious (precarious on a far more massive scale) than ever.

Homo sapiens has had a few close calls in the distant past, but didn't even perceive them as close calls since no awareness of the situation beyond the local group.

As for being sufficiently alarmed, I was somewhat alarmed 20-30 years ago, back when I hallucinated that something could be done. Now that I realize the folly of such thinking, I figure what's the point of alarm? And what reason do we have to be concerned about the fate of homo sapiens as a whole?

As the saying goes: Relax, everything's out of control.

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Before I address your question, let me use this open thread for a language peeve: If I never see the word "iconic" again it'll be too soon. This word has been tested to destruction & beyond in recent years. It's even worse than "amazing" & "awesome".

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