Rich travels around the US with his dog, Louis, transforming plain, boring walls into scenes of imagination and beauty. Our conversation ranges from what lies on the other side of comfort, to how health challenges can inspire and inform one’s creative process, to the ups and downs of being an itinerant artist. Rich’s murals are sumptuous, full of life and color and even humor. If you have a blank wall that could use some added vitality, get in touch with this guy.
You make the same arguments as RFK jr yet you dismiss him as anti vax! He clearly states that he’s not anti vax, but there’s something interesting going on whether it’s pharmaceutical lobbying, money laundering using war, and just overall manipulation and control of the people!
You criticizing people about not masking up and how you still haven’t admitted the silliness in the whole plandemic and locking down small business, while the big retailers could remain open, sounds so wild when you hit the nail on the head just about every other time you speak!
RFK jr. has been an environmental lawyer for years which comes with having to understand science and chemical literature in order to build a case. He is not just talking out his ass!
HI Chris, I think you misheard one of RFK Jr.'s comments on the Rogan podcast. He didn't say wifi "crosses" the blood brain barrier. He said it affects it. Based on your comments which seemed to dismiss RFK Jr as a capable presidential candidate, I searched and found the information in this link https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6513191/ . If you scroll down a bit, you'll see that there have indeed been studies that have demonstrated a link between wifi exposure and increased permeability of the BBB, at least in rats. I've read your books and love your podcast, but found it disturbing that you negatively misstated what RFK Jr said, even though I assume it was unintentional.
Interesting. I read the paper you linked to and found that "Due to these conflicting results, the issue of changes in BBB permeability due to exposure to RF-EMFs remains controversial." A few studies suggest EMFs may have some effect, others show no effect at all. Admittedly, this is more than I understood before reading the paper, but I still think RFK Jr. is wildly overstating the science when he says, "WIFI radiation opens up your blood-brain barrier." (2.34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TDeTI5kAb8). As I said on the podcast, I admire a lot of what he says, but by being so casual and overly confident about science that is complex and incomplete, he opens himself up to dismissal, which is a shame, because we need someone who can call bullshit on the military-industrial complex.
Dude, I have to say that your attitude during the recent pandemic smacked of dismissive absolutism. It even seemed mocking, at times. Am I absolutely wrong? Turns out that few of the mandated pandemic responses were nearly as perfect or as thoroughly science-based as we were forced to accept. I would love you to address this. Tell us how you're not a hypocrite.
Even if you feel his attitude was dismissive or mocking, who cares? Is being dismissive not allowed? Is mocking not allowed? In my opinion, his intentions seemed good; it seemed like he cared about being responsible and not contributing to any unnecessary deaths. Yeah, Chris pisses me off sometimes, and yeah, his attitude peeves me sometimes. But he has also bestowed some damn good wisdom. Humans are complex, and thank God for it. Get elated when someone pisses you off. That's how we grow, bitches.
I love very much the unusual truths Chris generally expresses. I'm not throwing out any babies or bathwater. But Chris seems to pride himself on, or align himself with, sincerity and honest, transparent, core human-ness. In this podcast episode he decried absolutism and blanket dismissals. I pointed out that he has engaged in them. Maybe it was a vibe I participated in, recent years have been highly charged. I remember being surprised at Chris' reaction to the pandemic. The fact that he could consider some who doubted the heavy-handed advice we were given by government as simply misguided, politically motivated and/or irresponsible was not infused with the open-minded compassion he'd always previously shown. I abided all the rules, took all the compelled jabs, but never assumed that the rebels were wrong or right. Nor were they all merely performative patriots. And they had solid points about kids and facial social cues, and blah blah blah... Before the pandy, medicos told us cloth masks were useless. Then they weren't. Now they are again. It was always a weird game. All I'm ranting about, really, is that you can't both decry and participate in dismissive absolutism, which I guess is a fair definition of bigotry.
People are complex…cool. How many spankings do you think we should give him? Oh, wait, he might actually like that. How about this: you come up with a good punishment, and I'm gonna go find something else to be outraged about.
I'm just trying to understand where wisdom begins and ends. It's my fault, I'm not very often loudly outraged about anything. It's no doubt a solipsism, of sorts. For a few years, the doc became my voice of reason, an oasis of calm logic. Then the pandemic and all the social splintering and for some reason I imagined that he'd.. Be less judgy. It's on me, I know. I never experienced the USA intensity of the pandy in Australia, death-wise, so... Yeah. I'm kicking the habit of projecting gurus. That delusional part of me wanted the sage it created to repair the dissonance I felt about things he said. He wasn't the guy I'd imagined. That's on me. I'm embarrassed. I'm uncertain. I'm shutting up. No spanking required.
Dude, if you don't provide any evidence of what you're talking about, there's no way for me to prove/disprove anything, is there?
Memory fills in the blank spots, so I may not remember things as you do, but the only "dismissive absolutism" I can remember engaging in was over people who thought they were proud patriots for refusing to wear a mask while coughing their way through Walmart. I don't believe I ever said I agreed with vaccine mandates, extended school closures, that I trusted Big Pharma to have our best interests at heart, or that the CDC was infallible. The only thing I remember feeling anything close to certain about was that serious masks, worn properly reduce the spread of saliva droplets, which were thought to carry the virus. (I think that's still the thinking?) If you want to go dig up evidence to the contrary, I'll address it.
You might be right. I'm not gonna go digging through the back catalogue for the higher degree of "pffft" that I recall. I is still possibly over-reactive since observing the ghastly human behaviour the pandemic stirred up. Maybe I'm annoyed that the recording I sent five years ago never surfaced. Or because when I meekly emailed you two years later to ask it hadn't, you said it must've been on one I hadn't heard, when I'd listened to every minute. There's lots of maybes. I am probably responsible for feeling disappointed in you when you talked about pandemic stuff. So, sorry if that's so. Thanks for all the takes and dog bless.
I'd encourage you to look at your original message, which begins with a pretty confrontational "Dude" and ends with challenging me to "tell us how you're not a hypocrite." If you want to engage, maybe don't open the dialogue with insult and derision. In any case, I'm totally ok with people and institutions changing policy as more data come in. In fact, how that becomes a criticism is beyond my comprehension. Those who don't change their minds as the situation changes have a problem, not those who do. As for wisdom, I don't think it begins or ends. It should be a verb, not a noun.
Yes, I was impetuous and childish. I guess I heard so many people that I thought were engrained sceptics say "shut up and trust the doctors", that I saw the same in your response to the crisis. And now it's pretty clear that most respected doctors were being directed by heavily corporately comprised organisations. It's been a confusing time. I'm sorry for venting frustration on you. Tangentially, for wisdom to begin and end, it is necessarily a verb, so we were always aligned on that!
PS I know that the recordings were lost, etc., I'm not truly moping and wounded. Point is, I guess you bring out daddy issues in me. So how could my perceptions be clear. Hopefully I'm now tragic enough to appear on the sadcringe sub-reddit.
The way the media is labeling RFK Jr. as ‘dangerous’ makes my blood boil. In my opinion, corporate media is exponentially more dangerous with its dogmatic, dictatorial, dog shit excuse for journalism.
Fo’sho and add all the politicians that destroy countries and kill others countries citizens and send our citizens to death in those countries that we have no business being in, all with the love and giddiness of the mainstream media and most importantly the neocon psychopaths backing. But Nope RFKJr is the kook.
I will take a kook over a sweet, smiling psychopath every time.
Daaaammmm that is one of your best ROMA in a long time. If my memory wasn’t garbage due to severe brain trauma induced epilepsy and to hundreds of thousands of tons of Tweeds up in me’head I might be able to legitimize putting it in the all time top 10.
As for my jealousy, being an artist must be soooo fun!!! You are obviously a fucking awesome writer (writing is an art form right?) And Rich, Holy Shit what UNBELIEVABLY INCREDIBLE painter!!!
I can’t even draw a straight line or write a sentence without spellcheck.
Is this vaccine thing only an American thing? Who's getting 60 - 80 vaccines? My kids range from 15 to 9 months. None have received more than ten. None of my friends and family have mentioned anything about a lot of vaccines so I presume, but don't know 100%, that they aren't getting 60 - 80 either.
Hey Chris, pointing out that I believe that you misunderstood what Rich was saying regarding mushrooms and cancer. I don’t believe Rich was talking about psychedelic mushrooms, really for much of what he was saying, but rather that is where your mind went. He was likely referring to trials done with turkey tail mushrooms (I believe) that showed a substantial improvement in survival in patients with late stage breast cancer. Additionally, he was talking about other non-psychedelic mushrooms regarding cognition such as lions main helping him with a cloudy mind from lime disease.
You make the same arguments as RFK jr yet you dismiss him as anti vax! He clearly states that he’s not anti vax, but there’s something interesting going on whether it’s pharmaceutical lobbying, money laundering using war, and just overall manipulation and control of the people!
You criticizing people about not masking up and how you still haven’t admitted the silliness in the whole plandemic and locking down small business, while the big retailers could remain open, sounds so wild when you hit the nail on the head just about every other time you speak!
RFK jr. has been an environmental lawyer for years which comes with having to understand science and chemical literature in order to build a case. He is not just talking out his ass!
Please hear him out!
Cheers Chris
HI Chris, I think you misheard one of RFK Jr.'s comments on the Rogan podcast. He didn't say wifi "crosses" the blood brain barrier. He said it affects it. Based on your comments which seemed to dismiss RFK Jr as a capable presidential candidate, I searched and found the information in this link https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6513191/ . If you scroll down a bit, you'll see that there have indeed been studies that have demonstrated a link between wifi exposure and increased permeability of the BBB, at least in rats. I've read your books and love your podcast, but found it disturbing that you negatively misstated what RFK Jr said, even though I assume it was unintentional.
Interesting. I read the paper you linked to and found that "Due to these conflicting results, the issue of changes in BBB permeability due to exposure to RF-EMFs remains controversial." A few studies suggest EMFs may have some effect, others show no effect at all. Admittedly, this is more than I understood before reading the paper, but I still think RFK Jr. is wildly overstating the science when he says, "WIFI radiation opens up your blood-brain barrier." (2.34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TDeTI5kAb8). As I said on the podcast, I admire a lot of what he says, but by being so casual and overly confident about science that is complex and incomplete, he opens himself up to dismissal, which is a shame, because we need someone who can call bullshit on the military-industrial complex.
Dude, I have to say that your attitude during the recent pandemic smacked of dismissive absolutism. It even seemed mocking, at times. Am I absolutely wrong? Turns out that few of the mandated pandemic responses were nearly as perfect or as thoroughly science-based as we were forced to accept. I would love you to address this. Tell us how you're not a hypocrite.
Even if you feel his attitude was dismissive or mocking, who cares? Is being dismissive not allowed? Is mocking not allowed? In my opinion, his intentions seemed good; it seemed like he cared about being responsible and not contributing to any unnecessary deaths. Yeah, Chris pisses me off sometimes, and yeah, his attitude peeves me sometimes. But he has also bestowed some damn good wisdom. Humans are complex, and thank God for it. Get elated when someone pisses you off. That's how we grow, bitches.
I love very much the unusual truths Chris generally expresses. I'm not throwing out any babies or bathwater. But Chris seems to pride himself on, or align himself with, sincerity and honest, transparent, core human-ness. In this podcast episode he decried absolutism and blanket dismissals. I pointed out that he has engaged in them. Maybe it was a vibe I participated in, recent years have been highly charged. I remember being surprised at Chris' reaction to the pandemic. The fact that he could consider some who doubted the heavy-handed advice we were given by government as simply misguided, politically motivated and/or irresponsible was not infused with the open-minded compassion he'd always previously shown. I abided all the rules, took all the compelled jabs, but never assumed that the rebels were wrong or right. Nor were they all merely performative patriots. And they had solid points about kids and facial social cues, and blah blah blah... Before the pandy, medicos told us cloth masks were useless. Then they weren't. Now they are again. It was always a weird game. All I'm ranting about, really, is that you can't both decry and participate in dismissive absolutism, which I guess is a fair definition of bigotry.
People are complex…cool. How many spankings do you think we should give him? Oh, wait, he might actually like that. How about this: you come up with a good punishment, and I'm gonna go find something else to be outraged about.
I'm just trying to understand where wisdom begins and ends. It's my fault, I'm not very often loudly outraged about anything. It's no doubt a solipsism, of sorts. For a few years, the doc became my voice of reason, an oasis of calm logic. Then the pandemic and all the social splintering and for some reason I imagined that he'd.. Be less judgy. It's on me, I know. I never experienced the USA intensity of the pandy in Australia, death-wise, so... Yeah. I'm kicking the habit of projecting gurus. That delusional part of me wanted the sage it created to repair the dissonance I felt about things he said. He wasn't the guy I'd imagined. That's on me. I'm embarrassed. I'm uncertain. I'm shutting up. No spanking required.
Don’t ever let anyone shut you up. Question everything. Be the heretic, let them burn you at the stake. Die with dignity.
Dude, if you don't provide any evidence of what you're talking about, there's no way for me to prove/disprove anything, is there?
Memory fills in the blank spots, so I may not remember things as you do, but the only "dismissive absolutism" I can remember engaging in was over people who thought they were proud patriots for refusing to wear a mask while coughing their way through Walmart. I don't believe I ever said I agreed with vaccine mandates, extended school closures, that I trusted Big Pharma to have our best interests at heart, or that the CDC was infallible. The only thing I remember feeling anything close to certain about was that serious masks, worn properly reduce the spread of saliva droplets, which were thought to carry the virus. (I think that's still the thinking?) If you want to go dig up evidence to the contrary, I'll address it.
You might be right. I'm not gonna go digging through the back catalogue for the higher degree of "pffft" that I recall. I is still possibly over-reactive since observing the ghastly human behaviour the pandemic stirred up. Maybe I'm annoyed that the recording I sent five years ago never surfaced. Or because when I meekly emailed you two years later to ask it hadn't, you said it must've been on one I hadn't heard, when I'd listened to every minute. There's lots of maybes. I am probably responsible for feeling disappointed in you when you talked about pandemic stuff. So, sorry if that's so. Thanks for all the takes and dog bless.
I'd encourage you to look at your original message, which begins with a pretty confrontational "Dude" and ends with challenging me to "tell us how you're not a hypocrite." If you want to engage, maybe don't open the dialogue with insult and derision. In any case, I'm totally ok with people and institutions changing policy as more data come in. In fact, how that becomes a criticism is beyond my comprehension. Those who don't change their minds as the situation changes have a problem, not those who do. As for wisdom, I don't think it begins or ends. It should be a verb, not a noun.
Yes, I was impetuous and childish. I guess I heard so many people that I thought were engrained sceptics say "shut up and trust the doctors", that I saw the same in your response to the crisis. And now it's pretty clear that most respected doctors were being directed by heavily corporately comprised organisations. It's been a confusing time. I'm sorry for venting frustration on you. Tangentially, for wisdom to begin and end, it is necessarily a verb, so we were always aligned on that!
PS I know that the recordings were lost, etc., I'm not truly moping and wounded. Point is, I guess you bring out daddy issues in me. So how could my perceptions be clear. Hopefully I'm now tragic enough to appear on the sadcringe sub-reddit.
The way the media is labeling RFK Jr. as ‘dangerous’ makes my blood boil. In my opinion, corporate media is exponentially more dangerous with its dogmatic, dictatorial, dog shit excuse for journalism.
Fo’sho and add all the politicians that destroy countries and kill others countries citizens and send our citizens to death in those countries that we have no business being in, all with the love and giddiness of the mainstream media and most importantly the neocon psychopaths backing. But Nope RFKJr is the kook.
I will take a kook over a sweet, smiling psychopath every time.
Daaaammmm that is one of your best ROMA in a long time. If my memory wasn’t garbage due to severe brain trauma induced epilepsy and to hundreds of thousands of tons of Tweeds up in me’head I might be able to legitimize putting it in the all time top 10.
As for my jealousy, being an artist must be soooo fun!!! You are obviously a fucking awesome writer (writing is an art form right?) And Rich, Holy Shit what UNBELIEVABLY INCREDIBLE painter!!!
I can’t even draw a straight line or write a sentence without spellcheck.
You 2 are awesome. Stay awesome.
From Turkey with Love,
Sambizle
Is this vaccine thing only an American thing? Who's getting 60 - 80 vaccines? My kids range from 15 to 9 months. None have received more than ten. None of my friends and family have mentioned anything about a lot of vaccines so I presume, but don't know 100%, that they aren't getting 60 - 80 either.
Hey Chris, pointing out that I believe that you misunderstood what Rich was saying regarding mushrooms and cancer. I don’t believe Rich was talking about psychedelic mushrooms, really for much of what he was saying, but rather that is where your mind went. He was likely referring to trials done with turkey tail mushrooms (I believe) that showed a substantial improvement in survival in patients with late stage breast cancer. Additionally, he was talking about other non-psychedelic mushrooms regarding cognition such as lions main helping him with a cloudy mind from lime disease.
Yes, you're probably right, though I'm unfamiliar with the research on turkey tail mushrooms.
https://www.uclahealth.org/news/turkey-tail-mushrooms-act-as-nonspecific-immune-modulators