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Just listened to the intro and realized there’s gonna be a book club meeting! Yahooo!! Does anyone know when that’s gonna be? Is the information posted in a separate feed of something?

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Fascinating story. More fascinating (for me) that she was a Physical Educator; I imagine that played a big role in her learning how to move around and through. I am very interested in the physical education of things (huntin skills, hiking, carrying stuff, daily living activities, sex, the senses... All those things require physical education and exploration. I literally closed my eyes and almost (based on the pictures you shared) saw her pulling the bow string, learning about it, feeling it, breathing, and finally being able to do it efficiently and appropriately (physical literacy).

I also feel identified with her regarding having to kill an animal. I volunteered to slaughter a pig years and I must say, it was difficult. I can still see it's eyes and hear the screaming. It gave me an incredible sense of appreciation for food and life, and for survival, and for movement even. I didn't know how to do it well and I was torturing it, and someone took the knife off my hands to finished it quickly and humanely. The way he positioned himself, the fluidity of the movement, and the smoothness of the kill was (weirdly but true) beautiful. I believe that, that kind of movement is learned, not trained. It is as if he was communicating with the animal. I didn't finish the deed but I cooked it all with more respect than I had ever done so at the restaurants I've worked. Since then I cook differently.

Regarding death. I also resonate what what you guys talked, about choosing to die. A friend (former client) - was in his late 80s was having health issues and after a few visits to the hospital he chose to go no more. "Fuck this. Take me home to my bed". My father wanted the same and because of COVID-19 regulations he died alone in a cold hospital (sad).

Man, you keep bringing these conversations and my mind keeps creating conversations of its own along the way - from what you or the people yo invite say. Sometimes it take me days to finish an episode, because I am tripping on it. Awesome. Take care.

Saludos!

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I'm sorry, but I'm perceiving a certain level of hypocrisy in the intro.

On the one hand, you're telling us we should not obsess with excellence and settle with simple contentment. But then you follow by praising the 'excellence' in the woodwork Michael did for your house in Creston. And before that, you were praising the excellence of Daniel Lanois when producing albums like Joshua Tree.

If we shouldn't seek to feast when a meal will do just fine, why not buy a piece of furniture from Ikea then?

What's the message here? "Seek happiness while enjoying the fruits of those whose goal was NOT happiness, but the search for excellency"?

I mean, I understand what you're saying —if you're always comparing yourself with others you will always be miserable— but at the same time I for one think there's value in trying to avoid mediocrity. How would you have felt if Michael had done a "good enough" job for your new home?

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Interesting thoughts. Thanks. I guess my point has to do with suffering on the way toward excellence or feeling like shit when we fall short. My sense of Lanois (and Michael) is that they both really enjoy what they're doing, and the extraordinary quality results from a combination of that love joined with opportunity, talent, good taste, etc. It's not a striving driven by perpetual disappointment. My friend was suffering and immobilized because he felt his goal (to be "great") was so distant and out of reach. He was looking at the top of the mountain rather than at the trail that would eventually take him there (or toward it, anyway).

I've bought a lot of furniture from Ikea, and I'm sure I will again. But when a friend offers to make us a bar slab for your new cabin, why would we refuse?

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IMHO there's always a level of 'suffering' in any type of creative process. Many of my published friends agree that the best part is "having written" instead of "writing," and in the visual arts you always reach the 'ugly phase' in which nothing makes sense and the end goal feels way over the horizon --then you wake up the next morning and realize you're almost done and it doesn't look as ugly as you thought it was last night.

I dunno. This is the kind of stuff I've been thinking about lately, now that the 'prompt bros' are claiming the reason they are embracing AI-generated imagery is because "drawing is hard," "painting skills take a long time to develop" and "they're never going to be as good as 'X' or 'Y' famous artist, so why not take the AI shortcut?"

Remember Simon van Gend's song: the point is not to avoid suffering, but to suffer well :)

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Hey Chris, that was me that pointed you in their direction. Im so happy you joined the dots.

She did scare me a bit talking about how calm she becomes whilst hunting. haha. Powerful woman! Was really interesting what she was saying about meditation and philosophy falling by the wayside for her when out in nature for so long. Look forward to hearing Peter's story!

Will throw a couple more names in the hat! ;)

Martin Shaw (Mythologist) through a psychologists lens could be super interesting:

https://vimeo.com/272557972?login=true#_=_

https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/navigating-the-mysteries/

Ultraromance (eccentric bicycle hobo adventurer and fellow ex fish worker! ):

https://www.businessinsider.com/ultraromance-bike-camping-free-spirit-does-not-like-work-2015-7?r=US&IR=T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy5gYB2Tsrs

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I’ve just realised the last fourteen paintings I’ve made have all been scored by the Tangentially Speaking podcast. Todays painting will be no different!

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I'm only through the intro so far, but already have a couple of comments. I remember Rick Beato starting a podcast on his Youtube channel but I've only seen maybe two episodes that were released. Maybe he's reviving that with Chris being the next guest? That would be cool since it would be a long form conversation.

To me when someone is worrying about being incredible at something it means they are viewing themselves from the perspective of other people. Incredible is a relative term and always needs to be weighed against others. Constantly comparing yourself to other people is a sure fired way to be unhappy.

And since Chris brought it up, the perfect way to end a podcast, in my opinion, is to have your partner upload 'The End' by The Doors as the last episode with no comment or explanation.

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Or just play Smoke Alarm, and have Carsie chime in "that day came yesterday" at the end.

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I'm sure she would record a remixed version for you. That would definitely keep it on brand with Tangentially Speaking.

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Maybe I should hit her up now, like writing a will, you know. Don't wait til it's too late! If I knew I was dying, I'd record a "to be released upon my death" episode. That would be fitting.

Maybe if I die in Crestone, a bunch of listeners will come for the cremation/BBQ.

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As long as you don't develop an interest for cannibalism between now and then I'm sure the BBQ will be a hit.

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Well if I was fifty-two I might be convinced to live in the wilderness with a smokin’ hot twenty-two year old 🕺

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Fascinating! I have lived such a sheltered comfortable life-locally adventurous-like we say it’s all fun until someone loses an eye

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